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Goals Are Overrated: How to Build Systematic Habits | James Clear

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  1. Journal: Write out a systematic approach to one of your biggest goals.
  2. Do you prefer systems or goal setting? Please share in the comments.

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April James
April James
3 years ago

I like both I need goal setting for targets bit systems are how I get there.

Hayden Carran
Hayden Carran
3 years ago
Reply to  April James

i totally agree!

Sidd Narayanabhatla
Sidd Narayanabhatla
3 years ago
Reply to  April James

I agree, goals are just targets for me as well!

Ally Williams
Ally Williams
3 years ago

I prefer systems. They make it so that you have many smaller successes, making it a more productive way to reach a bigger success.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Ally Williams

Great point!

Cuz
Cuz
3 years ago
Reply to  Ally Williams

Well said, Ally.

Kell
Kell
3 years ago

I use systems to achieve my goals. So I’d say they compliment each other.

ame
ame
3 years ago

” Habits take you wherever you want to go.” That’s the line that resonated with me! so I think I want to focus on systems from now on. I would have said goals before the video 🙂

Tori Fisher
Tori Fisher
3 years ago

I think both are necessary … I don’t think goals are overrated though

Sidd Narayanabhatla
Sidd Narayanabhatla
3 years ago
Reply to  Tori Fisher

I disagree, I think goals are actually overrated. Though I believe that goals help set targets, I don’t think goals help with much else as most people think of them to. The consensus that most people have is that success falls in the goals you set, but I don’t believe that to be true. If a basketball coach focused on what he needed to do to win the championship (the system) and disregarded the goal of winning the championship, he would still achieve the same result, right? I don’t know. I may be wrong. Please tell me what you think.

Last edited 3 years ago by Sidd Narayanabhatla
Vibhuv Sharma
Vibhuv Sharma
3 years ago

I disagree with you, to be honest. Without a goal, what’s the point of your system? I agree with you saying goals help set targets, but if I just had a system of lifting weights (let’s say I start at 5 pounds and try to go to 15) with no goal in mind as I did it, what’s the point? If I wanted to be more physically fit, then I have a reason to do it. This reminds me of quality vs quantity, in a sense – Quality is a goal, quantity is a system. I won’t just have a system without the goal in mind, that would feel like a waste (and it would be). This is why neither has any use without the other – they work in synergy, not as enemies to each other.

Sidd Narayanabhatla
Sidd Narayanabhatla
3 years ago
Reply to  Vibhuv Sharma

I disagree. Let me explain. Here are 4 reasons why goals are overrated (All of these are notes I’ve taken while reading the book Atomic Habits. I did not come up with any of this.):

Problem 1: Winners & Losers have the SAME goal (pg 24 – 25)

  • We mistakenly assume that ambitious goals lead to people’s success
  • Every Olympian wants to win gold and every candidate wants to get the job, yet only one person actually achieves this
  • Successful and unsuccessful people share the same goal, so it can’t be the goals that differentiate the winners from the losers

Problem 2: Achieving a goal is only a momentary change (pg 25 – 26)

  • Ex: Imagine you have a messy room, if you summon up the energy to tidy it up you will have a clean room for now. But if you maintain the sloppy habits that led to the sloppy room in the first place, you will find yourself in the same sloppy room sooner or later.
  • You are often chasing the same outcome because you never change your system

Problem 3: Goals restrain happiness (pg 26)

  • The problem with a goal first mentality is that you are continuously putting happiness off until the next milestone
  • ”…goals create an either-or conflict: either you achieve your goal and are successful or you fail and are disappointed” (Clear 27)
  • It is unlikely that your actual path through life will match the exact journey you had in mind.
  • Systems help you fall in love with the process rather than the product, so you don’t need permission to be happy

Problem 4: Goals are at odds with long term progress (pg 26 -27)

  • Goal oriented mindsets can create a ‘Yo-Yo’ effect
  • Whenall of your hard work is focused on a particular goal, what is left to push you forwards after you achieve it?
  • The purpose of setting a goal is to win the game, the purpose of setting a system is to continue playing the game
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3 years ago

Those are really great points Sidd! I especially like the part that winners and losers have the same goal. I never thought about it like that before. Deep.

Vibhuv Sharma
Vibhuv Sharma
3 years ago

True as this may be, the fact remains that you can not commit to a system with a goal in mind. A goal without a system is just a dream, but a system without a goal is a waste

Chevon Thomas
Chevon Thomas
3 years ago

I’m a systems person. I have always believed that you can not achieve a goal unless you have a plan/system in place that you consistently follow and make changes to meet that end goal. For example when I’m training for a race I list how many days I have to run a week and the amount of miles I have to run each day. This plan changes every week so that I gradually increase my mileage to meet my end goal.

Anisha Tahbildar
Anisha Tahbildar
3 years ago

I think both goals and systems are necessary. But I like systems better. A goal is something I want to achieve, but the way that I get there is to have a system and commit to that system everyday. The system will help me get to that goal.

Tracie Stewart
Tracie Stewart
3 years ago

Setting goals and a high level Vision for your life is more fun. The systems is the planning of the work to get there – maybe less enjoyable but equally required.

Nainisha
Nainisha
3 years ago

I like to set the goal & working towards it!

Adriane Domareckyj
Adriane Domareckyj
3 years ago

I think the idea of systems helps to keep you moving to your goal in a less intimidating way. I liked how he said habits will take you where you want to go.

Quinten Sutton
3 years ago

I work better in systems because I excel with things being organized. When you couple organizing with the fact that systems allow you to complete tasks unconsciously, this should result in you achieving a lot of your goals. I think Goal setting however is necessary to make the system you are working valuable.

Loris Murdock-Johnson
Loris Murdock-Johnson
3 years ago

I agree with April, both

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3 years ago

Systems include action towards my goal so I prefer them to goal setting.

Gralen Vereen
Gralen Vereen
3 years ago

I don’t see a difference between the two… We have short, intermediate, and long term goals. Our short and intermediate goals help us progress towards the long term. In essence, the system’s structure is full of short and intermediate goals.

Cuz
Cuz
3 years ago

Prior to finishing Atomic Habits, I would’ve said that I prefer goals because I’ve been conditioned to set objectives, make and follow a plan to achieve them, and move on to the next goal-setting session. However, following effective systems on a daily basis is what forms good habits, develops character, maintains progress, builds skills, accumulates wealth, and leaves a legacy for generations.